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  • in reply to: Reactive fearful young dog #14855
     Laurie Schulze 
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    I am glad you found out what other  ” training ” experience he had and I am glad  they found an appropriate trainer.     I often am the last stop on a train and I am not sure why that is.   So many of my clients have been to aversive trainers before they get to the right help.   I swear someday I am going to figure out if an how we as vets can get people to the right places sooner.      My cases seem harder to manage once shock has been used.     Can’t blame the   poor dog if every time he saw  an unfamiliar person he got punished that he would not like new people.

    I have not used Clonidine or trazodone for reactions for walks around unfamiliar people however I can see where maybe I might try that in the future.     I usually rec avoid the trigger  as much possible .  walks at low traffic times, not letting unfamiliar people pet or get close.    Have clients carry high value food,  treat on  first sight of a person and go the opposite way or increase distance  while waiting for my fluoxetine to load.     Most of my clients just treating  and avoiding improves things where walks are better and then we can start on more direct counter conditioning ect    Keep us posted . Hope things get better soon for your client and the dog.   Good Luck with this case.

    Laurie Schulze, DVM

    Westerville, Ohio

    in reply to: Reactive fearful young dog #14849
     Laurie Schulze 
    Moderator

    Hi  Brita,

    I did us Clonidine along with trazodone   and  fluoxetine with a separation  anxiety /generalized anxiety it case.  The dog was still too  anxious on departures  on trazodone alone and we maxed out at 300 mg a dog bid .  SO added Clonidine and he was able to be left alone under the direction from  our local boarded veterinary behaviorist Dr. Herron.     When I try something new I ask the client to start the dog on a day that is “typical ” so they don’t have an event or something going on and when they will be home for 8 hours   to observe the dog.   You may do that already just sharing what I do . . I  started on the low end of the dose because I was adding Clonidine to the Trazodone already.    This dog was getting it daily 5-6 days a week so it might be worth a shot to see if you can get the dogs reactions down .         what certifications does the dog trainer have and how is he/she working with the dog on it’s reactions to unfamiliar people ?  I understand you trust the trainer just curious how the dog is being worked with.     Does the dog have triggers to noise at all ?     You might look at adding an SSRI vs using the clonidine as an every day.    I would not start the dog on both at the same time at first so if the dog reacts negatively you will know which medication started it.       Again there are people more qualified here on this board than me 🙂 Just sharing my  experience of using Clonidine as part of a daily medication to manage a case .

    Laurie Schulze, DVM

    Westerville, Ohio

    in reply to: composure Pro use with Reconcile #14847
     Laurie Schulze 
    Moderator

    Hi Fiaa,

     

    Thank you for the awesome detailed response.    My client is super nervous to use  behavior medications. I agree using on using faster acting  meds like trazodone and do .   It just took me some convincing to get her to try fluoxetine .

    Sorry for my delayed response.  I didn’t get the notice you responded, then I could see forums like 10 min ago when I tried logging in.  NOw I can . Weird.

     

    Thank you so much

    Laurie Schulze , DVM

    Westerville , Oh

    in reply to: Reactive fearful young dog #14827
     Laurie Schulze 
    Moderator

    Hi Brita,

    What are you looking for thoughts on 🙂    Are you doing any behavior modification as well along with the above medications listed.    Are you using the Trazodone as a stand alone for treating his fear of unfamiliar people or situational ?  Does he have any other triggers than unfamiliar people ?    Any other behavior concerns other than the barking/lunging at unfamiliar people ?   I am just a general vet that does in home consults so there are others more qualified than me to answer you .   I just thought I’d see what you were looking for feedback on.

    Also is this a new pet to the owner or is it one they have had.

     

    Laurie Schulze, DVM

    Westerville , Ohio

     

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